[Rod]

I was just wondering if you were going to post anything back before 1948 anytime soon. Just curious, seems it went from 1970 to 1962 to 50 something pretty quick then we hit 1948 and it stalled out. What can I do to help put it back to 1940 or so. It seems like 1940 is the year that HS football in Georgia really started to get organized. Just tell me wht you need and I will do what I can to help get it..

[btaylor]

At this time, just about any team histories will do out of local papers. The Atlanta Journal has been pretty thoroughly mined for scores and so has the primitive AP score wire that existed at that point. The Savannah Morning News has been researched through 1943. That's as far as Valdosta State had the reels when I was looking these up.

1947 is probably 75-80% complete, thanks to pretty thorough reporting in the Journal. 1946 may be at 50%. Everything else is pretty spotty, except for scores from the SGFA.

Off the top of my head, we have team histories for
- Albany
- Atlanta/Fulton County schools (1915-47)
- Athens
- Benedictine (1913-43)
- Cairo
- Douglas (I think it's been thoroughly researched)
- Eastman
- Fitzgerald
- Folkston
- Hawkinsville
- Lanier
- Lavonia
- Lincolnton
- Manchester
- Mystic
- Nashville
- Ocilla
- Savannah (1913-43)
- Sparks-Adel
- Thomson
- Tifton
- Valdosta

[myandle]

We have Thomasville's complete game history as well. :rolleyes:

[THOLCOMB]

To address Rod's question, it's in Bobby's court now. I expressed my view a while back, that I have no problem adding pre-1948 as long as there is a way to have W-L totals tablulated two ways - 1948-present and overall. Otherwise, those totals (including series histories) become less meaningful because some schools are complete and others have not been researched hardly at all prior to 1948. What does it mean when Thomasville is 532-397-17 and Carrollton is 357-199-5 but Thomasville's history is compete and Carrollton's isn't? People are misled when they see that. The 1948- records, though incomplete, have meaning because there is consistency.

Also, I hope people understand that 1948 is not an arbitrary year. It's when high school football in Georgia truly became a well-organized, statewide sport in all classifications due to the GHSA taking it over. Football was just as important before then, but I don't want people to think 1948 represents that point in the Forrest Gump movie where we just got tired and decided to do go home.

[myandle]

One way to do it is to have a note on the page for each team stating that a schools history is complete or incomplete, similar to how the Alabama site does it.

That's the only way I know you can tell the reader the status of a teams game history up front.

Let's face it, it will be a long time before every school's history has been researched.

[DFendley]

These are States that have H.S. Football history that I Could find. Wyoming back to 1933 with some schools 40's with most. Alabama all the way back with what has been found.
Michigan back to 1950. No. and So. Carolina started by the same person back to 1960's. Tennessee all the way back with a few schools, 20 to 30 years on most.

If we get up the Pre years It is going to create interest and more scores being found.

[bhodges]

Like Todd said, it's not that we can't put them in now, we have just chosen not to (up to this point) because of the huge gap in relative completion for pre vs post 1948.

So, changing the current system to support the records in both circumstances would be pretty cumbersome in the best of cases.

All that aside, I've been working in the background for some months on a new system that will give us a lot more flexibility in doing things like that. So, with the new system I'm trying to put in place, which is monumental in itself, it's not likely I'll be making a system to differentiate between the two eras in the current system.
That basically means we can start adding those other games any time, but I wouldn't be able to differentiate them, and it would be more to redo with the conversion.

I was really hoping to have the new system in place before this season, and while we have a TON of groundwork done, it's just not going to happen. Too much personal stuff going on for me to donate large amounts of time to it at the moment.

So I guess the answer is, we're getting there.

Hope that helps some.


ps we also have full Wash-Wilkes history available.
Something worth noting is that I researched out the yang on Thomson's history and found about 30 games nobody knew about before. But I know for a fact there are still Thomson games out there that are certainly unaccounted for. I suspect that's also the case, to some variable extent, for many schools with 'complete' histories. Not to belittle the work done on them, but some aren't always as complete as they might appear.

[diesel doctor]

Hey Becky...I have researched Douglas as far back as their first official game. I just havent put it all on the web yet. SO much going on personally, I just havent had the time....

Of course, as Bobby said...complete isnt always that...I am sure I am missing games for Douglas and Tifton...

[Rod]

That sounds pretty good Bobby. If I can help in any way just let me know. I have researched the Greensboro paper fully also, their are some scores missing though. My future projects include Carrollton, Millen, Madison maybe, Elberton, and Monroe. I have also been going thru trying to get the missing scores from 1948 to present from the website and I am going to try and find as many of those as I can. If anyone has any games that they know exist with dates but have no scores send them to me and I will look for them when I get the chance to go back to UGA Library, which will be very soon I hope. I had planned on going a few weeks ago but some things came up and I couldn't get there.

[btaylor]

Couldn't remember if Douglas was complete or not.

Hopefully eventually I'll have more Nashville stuff as well. Some 1920s newspapers were found in the attic of one of the buildings on the courthouse square. I've been told they're in bad condition, but hopefully there is some useful information left. Like, a few winning scores. Those are seemingly pretty rare over the years.

We're never going to have everything complete. For example, Alamo and McRae-Helena had squads in the 1920s and earlier. Problem is, there aren't any papers. The Louisville paper didn't care about Wrens and Wadley in the 1920s, either.